monti to step down. of course, they weren't necessarily with the bank when all this manipulation happened. someone's going to take responsibility, right? >> yeah. i think this would be really harsh on the -- on the top management. the top management is only in charge since 2011. so clearly after the libor manipulation is over and -- i think we'll see something like 35 traders being charged for this, and i think this is probably what will happen. the management of the investment bank has changed several times since then. and i don't think anything would be necessary right now with the new management. >> dirk, you mentioned, too, broader concern. what happened at barclays spurred basically a restructuring. ubs we're seeing that restructuring take place. what are the prospects for this company going into 2013? >> well, ubs by its own admission expects mid single digit roes for 2013 and 2014. so this is one of the lowest roes in the banking sectorment at t -- sector. they're trading at multiples. i think we'